BU2B - you are making progress. I think focussing on how she feels about behaviour at the Hall is the key. You are right to hone in on the lack of love. The other thing to try to get her to acknowledge by asking her questions about it is how they make her feel unworthy the whole time - like she is never good enough. See if that is the way she feels and then ask her to think about why she feels like that and what it is that is causing her to feel like that. Once she starts to realise that is exactly the way they want her to feel then you will start to make very tangible progress IMHO. Why would Christian love make you feel bad about yourself? Cheers Fraz
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My wife sees the lack of love and.. Any suggestions on how to proceed?
by BU2B inin the past few weeks, my wife has been seeing more and more the lack of love and caring from jws.
for example, she is organizing a "princess party" for our 4 year old daughter.
a couple of the parents have expressed reservations about this since they think princesses may be "too magical" even though we know they have been to disneyworld, and watch the disney channel.
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JW internal warfare threatens the Tract campaign
by Quarterback ini overheard this argument re the new tract campaign.
one elder told a publisher, to hide the tract in the mailbox if the home owner wasn't home.
the publisher was used to folding the tip of the tract, and just left a tip showing.
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LHG - your statement that putting it in the mailbox is illegal misses a key element of the offence as set out by ADCMS namely 'with intent to avoid payment of lawful postage thereon'.
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Hamas,Fatah and Israel..Why are they fighting??
by jam ina report from 2009 the problems that existed.. hamas and fath in a power struggle, not over who is going to.
bring democracy and prosperity to palestine.
who is going to build schools, universities and hospitals.
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jam - nice peice of blame the victim - this is what the Israelis want the West to think - they have divided and conquered the Palestinians for years - they funded Hamas as an alternative to Fatah in the 70s and 80s. You may want to do some research about the history of Zionism and how Israel came to control a land which was over 90 percent Palestinain 100 yers ago. You might want to wonder why the Palestinian deaths and causaulties are a massive multiple of Israeli deaths and casualties. What is the political imperative in Israel that requires such as massive retaliation. You might want to think about the living conditions and frustrated aspirations of the Palestianian youth living in Gaza. You might want to find out why Israel opposes a coalition government between Hamas and Fatah.
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Praise For Witnesses On Welfare Who Full Time Pioneer!
by minimus inthe watchtower has always praised witnesses who are on welfare and decided to pioneer.
many in my congregation, including my mom, were given kudos, praise and assembly parts because they took advantage of jehovah's provision through the government....did you notice this, or was it obvious to me because i was raised in the inner city and many people recieved government help?.
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Parasites on worldly taxpayers (free labour paid for by the taxpayer) and then the WBTS doesn't pay any tax itself. Great scam! It has made them filthy rich property moguls.
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I am doing Fab!!!!!!!!
by KateWild inhey everyone,.
well me, fraz and laika had a little meetup before we went on holiday.....it was great to meet fraz for the first time.
our hols were teriffic and i have enjoyed dating too.
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jgnat - don't waste your fingers typing why she shouldn't do it - for whatever reason Kate has decided to do this - she has some pretty good rationalisations as to why she is doing it, which don't allow you, or Kate, to understand the true reasons. I spent an hour pointing out all the reasons why she shouldn't do it but she clearly had made up her mind so I was wasting my breath. This makes no sense to me and worries me - I don't think it will end well - but she has to work it out for herself - she won't be told.
Kate - I hope you had a good break and have come back relaxed and full of beans. It was very nice to meet you (and to catch up with the very likeable Laika) before you went away albeit slightly frustrating in that I could tell I was having no traction whatsoever in trying to persuade you not to go to meetings (mind you I am used to not being listened to). So for the record I am throwing in the towel. Take care and look after yourself in the land of conditional love. Fraz
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"Are you a progressive thinker"
by Pistoff inthis was the theme of a talk at this week's 2nd weekly meeting with the co.. .
if you are a progressive thinker, so went the reasoning, you will accept all of the adjustments coming from the 'faithful and discreet slave'.. .
this so hurt my head when wife told me about it; really?.
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Incredible piece of spin - only the WBTS could have the gumption to twist logic to come up with this
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Something Big is Coming...
by notsurewheretogo inthe annual meeting of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses will be in october 2014.. .. in november 2013, just after the last one they published this now famous statement in the 15th of november 2013 watchtower page 16 paragraph 17 says:.
"at that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.
all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.".
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They are just reminders to the sheeple that they must obey without question - the impression that something will happen is deliberate but does not mean they actually think something really will happen, they have been making people believe something will happen imminently (and you need to obey no matter what) for over 100 years
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My Book of Bible Stories- Sex and Violence
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inon a previous post on the bible's sex-violence several mentioned children and the yellow book (1978 version).
i will compile a list here.. one only needs to go to story 6 to find a man smashing his brothers skull in and picture of his brother's blood on the ground.
the very next story 7 has pictures of violence, clut worship, drunkeness, (unimplied sex).. the next story 8 shows a giant beating a person the death while holding them with one hand.
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HTBWC - I was shocked when I found out my wife had been reading this to my son without my knoweledge - I was even more shocked when I actually started to read through it. The graphic violence is one thing but the thing which came through loud and clear is how they uyse these images to impart phobias and deliver messages - so I went through and analysed the messages (I skimmed the whole thing cover to cover) - the most common one was that if you don't obey Jehovah he will kill or harm you in cruel ways (laying the groundwork for acceptance of Armageddon as reality), the second commonest is that if you obey Jehovah he will protect you (laying the groundwork for the idea that if you are part of the organisation you will be protectected from the wrath of god) and then other messages such as why it is dangerous to associate with worldly people. Once you do this analysis you realise how insidisous this book is. In my view there should be a ban on exposing children to this abusive material.
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To understand cults we need to start understanding ourselves
by paranoia agent inthere are books out there that talk about why it is so difficult to convince someone that they are wrong.
hassan and singer specifically address destructive cults.
hassan refers to cult members under mind control and singer under thought reform.
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I very much agree with your premise that we are not as rational as we think we are or indeed we may not be rational at all. I have often put this view forward when arguing with those on here who think they are more rational than others because of their fondness for science and scorn for religion. Still, I do think that rather than individualistic and sociocentric being a dichotomy, that it is more of a spectrum with extremes at the ends and more balance towards the middle and that the WBTS is on the extreme of sociocentric along with authoritarian (fascism, communism, nazism).political movements
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Roll call of those of us stuck in for our spouse or whos spouse is still in!
by BU2B ini just wanted to get a feel for how many here have awakened to ttatt but are still carrying on some jw activities to pacify them and keep the peace.
also trying to hear from those who have left, but whose spouse has stayed in the wt and in the marriage.. for me it comes down to my own mental anguish.
i am mentally tortured by attending the meetings, yet i feel compelled to because my wife would kill me with her personality if i had her drag 2 small girls by herself there.
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Raton - I am in the same boat as you. I overloaded my wife with TTATT and it was totally counterproductive - she went into full cult personality mode and shut down. According to my new improved apprach I don't speak to her about TTATT at all. I love bomb her and arrange family activities to do as an alternative to the KH.
It is a matter of using Witness recruiting tactics in reverse - love bombing and doing a good witness (by showijng through your behaviour that worldly peole are ntowaht the WBTS portays us as. If you are going to introduce TTATT I would use that approach rather than attack doctrine. Something along the lines of 'What did they say about worldly people in the WT study, Awake, Watchtower or in the meeting this week?' When they said that did you think of me? Do you think I behave in the way they say worldly peole behave? What about (name your familoy members who are not Witnesses who she is fond of) are they like that?' This should start to introduce doubt. Good luck
BU2B - hang in there buddy and keep up the good fight. Cheers Fraz